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Why I’ve Gotten Away from Using NYSDOT Topographic Maps

For the first year of doing topographic maps, I relied extensively on using NYSDOT topographic maps, I originally downloaded from the NYSGIS consortium website. The NYSDOT topographic maps have a lot of good information on them, an in many ways have the most accurate topography.

But what I’ve also found with those maps is they have several real limitations…

Saturday night

1) They Don’t Scale Well.

NYSDOT topographic maps are designed to viewed at 1:2400 feet ratio, as they are 7.5″ quads. You can get away with rendering them anywhere between 1:1800 to 1:2600, but beyond that the text looks too small, too crowded, or two pixelated. For smaller parks and larger areas, NYSDOT topographic maps do not work well.

Center of New York Counties

2) Unneeded Information and Clutter.

DOT Topographic Maps try to suit the need of any user, and include information like town lines and other jurisdictional information that is unnecessarily for the average outdoors person.

3) Outdated Information.

Often topographic maps have dated information on man-made boundaries and buildings. The state often buys new land, demolishes existing buildings, and closes off trails. Old trails appear on topographic maps, as do labels such a “Restricted”, even though to this day such roads may be valid, despite the incorrect or outdated information on topographic maps.

Fire Tower

4) Metric Scale; Differentiating Contour Scales.

Metric elevations are maddening for anyone trying to calculate their elevation from select DOT topo maps, and often when you load multiple topographic maps, they do not fit together seamlessly, as one will be using one unit for contours, while another will use another unit. Contour scales throughout the state very widely, which when put together can be confusing.

On the other hand, topos do have some benefits…

Island

1) Most Accurate Shorelines.

The Census Water Area and Liner Water Shapefiles from TIGER/Line are pretty accurate, but they are not nearly as good as topographic maps.

New Lake Mountain

2) Wetlands.

Currently I don’t have any good source of data or wetlands to add to my maps. I probably should do more research into this, as I know the state does have wetland maps available — but how much of a PITA are they to use?

I Had Nightmeres I'd Roll Into the Ditch

3) Buildings.

Topographic maps have many of the buildings on them. While this information can be outdated, it does provide useful information to the viewer of such maps. TIGER/line has some features, like cemeteries and some buildings, but this data set is tiny compared to what’s on the NYSDOT topographic maps.

The Scale of New York

Notes on the Re-Run for Wednesday, April 25th.

— Andy

I was wondering how big the New York City-metro area is compared to other regions in our state. What does New York City-metro area look like compared to Albany County, the Plattsburgh and North Country-area, and the Ithaca-Watkins Glen Finger Lakes-area?

All of these maps are exactly the same scale, 75 pixels per 5 miles of real land below it. You can visually compare the size with these maps, and look at urban density and farm uses, via the color of the land below. It will not display in the RSS feed or Facebook, so view at andyarthur.org.

New York City-Metro Area.

This map includes part of Westchester County and Nassau County, but gives you an idea of the size of the metropolitan area that is most associated with what people think of when they think of NYC. Not all of this area is highly urbanized, much of the surrounding area that appears with higher levels of green is suburbs.

Albany County (Albany & Schenectady).

As you can see the New York City metro area would cover all of Albany County, plus significant portions of Northern Greene and Eastern Schoharie County. You could easily fit Albany and Schenectady within the borders of New York City, along with surrounding suburbs. NYC is not only populous, it’s also fairly big.

Clinton County (Plattsburgh).

Clinton County is much larger and rural then Albany County and New York City. There is relatively less of Essex and Franklin County in this map then there is Westchester and Nassau County in the NYC-metro map. Even Albany County appears small compared to Clinton County. Notice the darkness of the highly-forested Adirondack Park, and the light green of the fertile Champlain Valley farmlands.

Ithaca and Watkins Glen.

This map shows Ithaca and Watkins Glen. You can see the public forest lands and pastures of the Finger Lakes National Forest, Sugar Hill State Forest, Ithaca, and Watkins Glen. You go into the Allegany Mountains in the south and in the north the sloped landscape that is the norm of the Finger Lakes.