John Boyd Thacher State Park

John Boyd Thacher State Park, is situated along the Helderberg Escarpment, one of the richest fossil-bearing formations in the world. Even as it safeguards six miles of limestone cliff-face, rock-strewn slopes, woodland and open fields, the park provides a marvelous panorama of the Hudson-Mohawk Valleys and the Adirondack and Green Mountains. The park has volleyball courts, playgrounds, ball fields and numerous picnic areas with nine reservable shelters. Interpretive programs are offered year-round, including guided tours of the famous Indian Ladder Trail. There are over 25 additional miles of trails for summer hiking and mountain biking, and winter cross-country skiing, snowshoeing, hiking, and snowmobiling.

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There are 80 designated campsites in Cattaraugus County in following state forests

There are 80 designated campsites in Cattaraugus County in following state forests …

Campsite on West Hill Road

Cattaraugus County State Forest Maps

This listing provides the total number of campsites in each forest along with a link to map and photos of forest.

State Forest Map Number of Campsites
Boyce Hill State Forest 2
Bryant Hill State Forest 1
Bucktooth State Forest 1
Bush Hill State Forest 10
Cattaraugus State Forest 3
Dobbins Memorial State Forest 3
East Otto State Forest 14
Farmersville State Forest 2
Golden Hill State Forest 4
Mccarty Hill State Forest 4
Nine Mile Creek State Forest 3
Pine Hill State Forest 12
Raecher Hill State Forest 2
Rock City State Forest 11
South Valley State Forest 5
Windfall Creek State Forest 3

Cattaraugus County Campsite Coordinates

Here is a listing of the individual campsites. The road indicates the nearest road, links on state forest go to DEC website for more information, while the location link takes you to ACME Mapper to see the exact location …

Name Road State Forest Location
Flt Lean To Bryant Hill Road Boyce Hill State Forest 42.334031456350395, -78.53288931105153
Primitive Campsite Bryant Hill Road Boyce Hill State Forest 42.33203561607121, -78.52072510644783
Primitive Campsite Fadale Road Bryant Hill State Forest 42.287766301177825, -78.5774157216985
Primitive Campsite West Branch Bucktooth Run Road Bucktooth State Forest 42.205385216534836, -78.80556091590128
Designated Camp Site Bush Hill State Forest Road Bush Hill State Forest 42.37521134312278, -78.3723830068076
Designated Camp Site Bush Hill State Forest Road Bush Hill State Forest 42.375432685587, -78.37003424588094
Designated Camp Site Bush Hill State Forest Road Bush Hill State Forest 42.37844883545774, -78.36321615357782
Designated Camp Site Bush Hill State Forest Road Bush Hill State Forest 42.37834161197144, -78.3603878146659
Designated Camp Site Bush Hill State Forest Road Bush Hill State Forest 42.378704575994334, -78.35968870249168
Designated Camp Site Palmer Road Bush Hill State Forest 42.332735974553664, -78.33508401120383
Designated Camp Site Peet Hill Road Bush Hill State Forest 42.37229363838375, -78.37197015797723
Designated Camp Site State Highway 98 Bush Hill State Forest 42.378694393114884, -78.36651378010052
Designated Camp Site State Highway 98 Bush Hill State Forest 42.378944741693765, -78.35539058173165
Designated Camp Site Stebbins Road Bush Hill State Forest 42.37513245260474, -78.33871444372613
Primitive Campsite Toad Hollow Road Cattaraugus State Forest 42.323838469029404, -78.81981283576603
Primitive Campsite West Hill Road Cattaraugus State Forest 42.325245350697024, -78.82172344496075
Primitive Campsite West Hill Road Cattaraugus State Forest 42.32545276366107, -78.82246616963481
Primitive Campsite Bedient Hill Road Dobbins Memorial State Forest 42.28567958355708, -78.78343174073662
Primitive Campsite Bedient Hill Road Dobbins Memorial State Forest 42.2858770172506, -78.78182441930888
Primitive Campsite Kahler Hill Road Dobbins Memorial State Forest 42.2823609209492, -78.78908764990703
Campsite 1 East Otto Forest Access Road East Otto State Forest 42.42956020071717, -78.77841498639349
Campsite 10 East Otto Forest Access Road East Otto State Forest 42.436794682289374, -78.78725605998474
Campsite 11 East Otto Forest Access Road East Otto State Forest 42.43686641131175, -78.78876182516233
Campsite 12 East Otto Forest Access Road East Otto State Forest 42.439942456335444, -78.79280632243916
Campsite 13 Off Road East Otto Forest Access Road East Otto State Forest 42.44116228532883, -78.7935142352489
Campsite 2 East Otto Forest Access Road East Otto State Forest 42.43075196187435, -78.77829192648777
Campsite 3 East Otto Forest Access Road East Otto State Forest 42.431524557985085, -78.77807270060917
Campsite 4 East Otto Forest Access Road East Otto State Forest 42.43246812683191, -78.77812945302628
Campsite 5 East Otto Forest Access Road East Otto State Forest 42.43354865333, -78.77826528183961
Campsite 6 East Otto Forest Access Road East Otto State Forest 42.435748272602346, -78.78009578405866
Campsite 7 East Otto Forest Access Road East Otto State Forest 42.437766021114236, -78.78129798391932
Campsite 8 East Otto Forest Access Road East Otto State Forest 42.438307230216544, -78.78167796579675
Campsite 9 East Otto Forest Access Road East Otto State Forest 42.43658224437387, -78.78115339512692
Off Rd Campsite 14 Campsite Trail East Otto State Forest 42.43495753137711, -78.78631225057045
Designated Camping Site Finger Lakes / North Country Trail Farmersville State Forest 42.395559234340155, -78.32385801814708
Primitive Campsite Huyck Road Farmersville State Forest 42.40195676450733, -78.32651113957189
Designated Camp Site Humphrey Road Golden Hill State Forest 42.24476227074854, -78.53567581233197
Designated Camp Site Humphrey Road Golden Hill State Forest 42.22838609079557, -78.55140114891826
Designated Camp Site Salamanca Sugertown Golden Hill State Forest 42.25727682111409, -78.52462511082716
Designated Camp Site Salamanca Sugertown Golden Hill State Forest 42.252966372418044, -78.52422796002587
8 Ccc Cross Pfar Mc Carthy Hill Road Mccarty Hill State Forest 42.24536126968311, -78.70056799396085
9 Ccc Cross Pfar Mc Carthy Hill Road Mccarty Hill State Forest 42.25008232988369, -78.69743897194299
Designated Campsite Mc Carthy Hill Road Mccarty Hill State Forest 42.25328568563576, -78.69299839361288
Broadwide Landing   Mccarty Hill State Forest 42.24170279920399, -78.68606010543651
Designated Camp Site North Nine Mile Road Nine Mile Creek State Forest 42.15299393539406, -78.54523009763237
Designated Camp Site North Nine Mile Road Nine Mile Creek State Forest 42.13609995741345, -78.56646823383102
Designated Camp Site   Nine Mile Creek State Forest 42.16580689557993, -78.56330674730353
Designated Camping Site Carr Corners Road Pine Hill State Forest 42.0902198677204, -78.97720883047309
Designated Camping Site Carr Corners Road Pine Hill State Forest 42.08987421564301, -78.97718113243893
Designated Camping Site Carr Corners Road Pine Hill State Forest 42.088972084193635, -78.96827770846221
Designated Camping Site Carr Corners Road Pine Hill State Forest 42.08999766571543, -78.97714470943136
Designated Camping Site Carr Corners Road Pine Hill State Forest 42.089992105140524, -78.97802317468417
Designated Camping Site Carr Corners Road Pine Hill State Forest 42.088316667983676, -78.97750870331804
Designated Camping Site Sarver Road Pine Hill State Forest 42.09084333446055, -78.96457500076367
Designated Camping Site West Bank Perimeter Road Pine Hill State Forest 42.09059447216186, -78.9782701169741
Designated Camping Site West Bank Perimeter Road Pine Hill State Forest 42.090410597678044, -78.97737141838545
Designated Camping Site West Bank Perimeter Road Pine Hill State Forest 42.09070243921129, -78.97767425198705
Designated Camping Site West Bank Perimeter Road Pine Hill State Forest 42.09055923398494, -78.97748952634339
Designated Camping Site West Bank Perimeter Road Pine Hill State Forest 42.088333001084294, -78.96315816701363
Designated Camp Site Raecher Road Raecher Hill State Forest 42.21543142820224, -78.59833921002581
Designated Camp Site Salamanca Sugertown Raecher Hill State Forest 42.2239162845665, -78.58440803241541
6 Eckert Pfar Eckert Road Rock City State Forest 42.21386553760053, -78.72868667109137
1 Pavilion Hungry Hollow Road Rock City State Forest 42.20887482379478, -78.71081750896558
10 Hale Pfar Hungry Hollow Road Rock City State Forest 42.210726592762555, -78.70083869524316
2 Camp Seneca Hungry Hollow Road Rock City State Forest 42.22426854552666, -78.70039460166258
2 Pavilion Hungry Hollow Road Rock City State Forest 42.20874441897034, -78.70925235825437
5 Little Rock City Pfar Hungry Hollow Road Rock City State Forest 42.21356536202227, -78.71471680281755
7 Camp Seneca Hungry Hollow Road Rock City State Forest 42.224419413504464, -78.6988716555344
1 Camp Seneca   Rock City State Forest 42.22472181689035, -78.6999719301751
3 Camp Seneca   Rock City State Forest 42.22443219662994, -78.69949145115731
3 Pavilion   Rock City State Forest 42.20829863384421, -78.70878335178874
4 Pavilion   Rock City State Forest 42.207897403667076, -78.70778549612025
Sawmill Campsite Sawmill Run Road South Valley State Forest 42.0412038345878, -79.00831666649613
Phillips Brook Campsite West Bank Perimeter Road South Valley State Forest 42.067833333551825, -78.98651616744397
Phillips Brook Campsite West Bank Perimeter Road South Valley State Forest 42.067053833805446, -78.98539216695083
Primitive Campsite West Bank Perimeter Road South Valley State Forest 42.06781668899903, -78.986579480953
Primitive Campsite West Bank Perimeter Road South Valley State Forest 42.066675066943084, -78.98465915701098
Designated Camp Site Thorpe Hollow Road Windfall Creek State Forest 42.143916972753914, -78.61946242159415
Designated Camp Site Thorpe Hollow Road Windfall Creek State Forest 42.13859287926947, -78.63237608867878
Designated Camp Site   Windfall Creek State Forest 42.11866864256446, -78.63172401550162

Final Campfire

Maintenance matters most

The cliche that got a lot of people mad at me at the end of 2022 was saying, “years don’t really matter much, decades matter much more”. To make people even madder at my, I pointed out years are only meaningful in how they contribute to the decade. A whole is the sum of it’s parts. But that’s so true.

One thing I’m seeing over and over about healthy eating, it’s much like investing and personal finance. Each little investment isn’t that much in the grand scheme of things, you will never have a secure future or retirement with one investment. But over time, that buck or two here and there, every day adds up. Likewise, each calorie consumed adds on to the waistline, each unhealthy food eaten leads you closer and closer to an untimely death.

Future goals are big and distant, as they are the sum of so many parts. But each part is meaningful as it contributes to the future. It’s true that life is like a flywheel in an engine, an occasional misfire here and there won’t add up to much. But that should not be an excuse for operating an engine that is regularly misfiring, as damage accumulates. People often think it’s okay to give excuses for occasional misdeeds or misfires — that occasional slice of cake or cup of store bought coffee– some liberties to lighten life up, but that is a dangerous practice.

There are things out of your control that you can’t address — like the a downturn in the market or that cup of coffee on the road you need to stay alert to drive home safely. Maybe you have to go out and have an unhealthy meal with some friends. But you should avoid incidental bad behaviors whenever possible. Misfiring in an engine is harmful, as it to your goals. Just because you can survive an occasional misfire, doesn’t mean you should build into your life.

The best thing when it comes to self-improvement is automation. I have a set investment and savings plan, I rarely look at it or give it much thought. A few times a year, I’ll check on my net worth but normally the money comes out of my paycheck and is invested. Each morning I go for a walk at 6:15 AM and each evening at 7:00 PM, regardless of weather, because it’s important to get my default 10,000 plus steps in. Likewise, I just make it the default option to buy healthier foods, and follow the one bowl or plate rule. As I don’t eat out often at all, whatever I buy is what I end up eating. I continue to learn to be a better cook and eater, but it’s not because I intend to be thinking about it non-stop, but because I want to make sensible defaults that make eating healthier the default option.

A lot of people think it takes willpower or effort to do the right thing. But that’s not the truth. If you want to do something, it’s best to automate it and give it as little thought as possible. And just move forward.

Don’t really like restaurant food

When traveling for work I can usually get reimbursed for one meal a day along with lodging. But I usually don’t get food because I’m not a real big fan of restaurant food.🍝 I don’t really find it pleasant to eat out, especially when I am traveling alone and I don’t like all the waste and packaging for take out. I also think fast food is just plain gross, 🍟it’s all grease and not very filling. It’s not something I’m used to eating at any rate.

But even at home I almost never eat out. Maybe because I’m single but it also just seems kind of weird trusting strangers to cook your food.🍳 I also am trying to save money wherever possible for my future off grid cabin.πŸ’° Five or ten bucks doesn’t sound like much, but I’m trying to save money wherever possible. While I do often buy lightly packaged per-cooked food at home, and I’m no chef, I would rather do the cooking myself then rely on others.πŸ‘¨β€πŸ³

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The Mid-West

This book I am reading makes a good point about the Midwest – the land is cheap, people are friendly and laid back, zoning and codes regulations tend to be much less with less enforcement. Conservative cultural norms are more laid back, preferring that government stay off people’s land and out of private businesses.

Building and living in an off-grid ‘tiny’ house or cabin is much easier when you don’t have to deal with nearly as aggressive of code inspectors. Buying a handgun or other firearm for hunting and personal protection is just as easy – fill out the federal paperwork, have them do a quick background check, and pay the cashier, and walk out with your new gun. Outhouses and composting toilets are easier to get approved, if there is any review at all. As long as there isn’t a high fire risk, you’re free to burn your trash and debris, typically with no permit. Off-road shops, ATVs, snowmobiles, and alike abound, often with a good trail system to ride not too far from home. Good-sized white tails, geese, ducks for hunting and other wildlife abound in the rural landscape.

The flip side, as the book notes, is the Midwest is mostly flat or with rolling hills. There aren’t the big mountains to hike, the state forests and national forests are much smaller part of the landscape – and often far away. The distances are spread out, they mean a lot of driving to get to work, shopping, or healthcare. Much of the Midwest is gritty and industrial, with lots of big farms and industry in cities and surrounding areas. Farmers for the most part don’t care what you do on your land, but recognize they have a business to do and that includes spreading manure and applying pesticides their fields, sometimes late at night with big loud tractors. Cows can be noisy, even if they are fun to watch graze. Hunters hunt, they have loud guns. People love shooting. I get it, I grew up in the country. I like doing many of those things too.

I am not one for conservative politics per se. If anything, I have become less political in recent years, focused on my own life concerns, making and saving money. I actually kind of like the idea of living in a culture that is less politically liberal, one more focused on natural resources and using them efficiently. Is there a thread in conservative politics that is entirely irresponsible and not based in reality? Sure, but it’s hard for a farmer, a hunter, and outdoors-man not to love and respect the resources that produce for them.

Camping, Not Yet

Walking in the Albany Pine Bush this afternoon, I was thinking how much I miss spending nights in the wilderness.Β Those open canopies, like Moose River Plains or even Confusion Flats in the Western Adirondacks are special. While I have a trip planned for 2 1/2 weeks from now, it’s seems like that could be an eternity. I guess I could out somewhere sooner, although the issue would be that there is still a lot of snow up north and the next few weekends I expect to be fairly busy. But it’s obvious that nicer weather is heading our way, and I fully expect to spend more nights in the near future out in the wilderness.

Back camping at the same site tonight

Yesterday was nice until it turned to shit πŸŒžπŸ‘‰οΈπŸ˜Άβ€πŸŒ«οΈ

By mid-day it was absolutely beautiful spring day, but alas the clouds started to push in and by evening the wind was roaring and there was an incredibly strong band of heavy rain that came blasting through everything and then it’s cold this morning.

I won’t say it was a complete waste of a weekend, 😎 as I enjoyed the ride out to Hollyhock then Blodgett Hill in Coeymans. It was a bit cool to start out the day but by mid-day I shed the winter coat, especially after riding up Blodgett Hill then pushing the mountain bike up part of way up the steepest part of the hill. Couldn’t really ride πŸ’ͺall the way up due to drainage breaks they’ve dug into the logging road. I don’t know, you’re probably not supposed to ride a mountain bike in a Wildlife Management Area, though I stayed on roads and truck trails, except maybe that short section of the blue trail, but going up I mostly pushed the bike up the hill.

Generated so much heat with the front rotator on the bike that it started smoking 🚲 — literally πŸ‘©‍πŸš’ as I rode down Blodgett Hill. I rode the brakes hard going down to the logging rode down the north-side as there was many water breaks to cross then rode the brakes to go slowly down the blue trail but it wasn’t until I picked up speed heading down the hill on County Highway that the brakes literally started smoking. The whole rotor was covered with a grayish-blackish smoke. Not sure if it was brake fluid I got on the rotator when it leaked when I changed the pads a few months back, or if it was a mixture of road and trail dust, leaves and deicing chemicals that burst into smoke when the rotator got really hot.

Of course now, my advertising feeds are full of ads for muffler shops. πŸ‘©‍πŸ”§ Get the brake service you need at our shop! That said, if anything I am not sure if I need any service to bike, if anything the brakes preformed better once they got that hot, they stopped sqweaking. With a bit of chain wear, that new chain – well the one I found from old stock – is preforming well with only a bit of gear jumping at times so I’m going to hold off on replacing the cassette for a while even if I get it in the mail in next few days. I did get the chain wear measurement tool yesterday, and checked the chain wear. It was good but it’s something I’m going to check every time I grease the chain.

While this morning is cold and windy 🌬 I think I will ride out to Five Rivers for a while this morning. I do have hope though for spring sooner then later, and it might actually be a decent evening after visiting the folks to do a quick hike up Bennett Hill. Mom is cooking chicken and sweet potatoes for dinner, πŸ¦ƒand I’ll do my wash out there and dump the compost buckets out there. And then this weekend will be done, and I’ll head to bed again. πŸ›Œ I am just waiting for warmer weather and more meaningful weekends, spent out in the wilderness, though truth be cold it wasn’t a bad riding out to Blodgett Hill. It was nice seeing the Pitch Pines and Scrub Oaks up there, and that they’ve cleaned it up after the raspberries πŸ“and other trash species crowding out the scrub oaks in recent years that have passed since the last controlled burn. I am so ready for a night in wilderness, not just to burn shit πŸ”₯ and turn that junk mail and wrappers in carbon dioxide but also get my sanity back, πŸ€ͺ so I can be less extremely mentally ill. I doubt I’ll have be sane though, as I don’t worship the plastic crap that smells so bad when you toss in the fire. Just don’t tell a liberal. 🀫Just like I wasn’t riding my mountain bike on the logging trails at a WMA. 🏳️‍⚧️

I know it’s an awful bigoted thing to call invasive species, invaders

It’s not like invasive species plan an invasion of an area. In many cases they don’t seek take over an area, kill native species, cause economic harm or job losses. Instead, they are just looking to survive and reproduce in a suitable habitat. Moreover calling something an invasive species rather than a introduced species is a very political statement – introduced species are defined by humans as being helpful rather than harmful.