This past weekend I camped at the upper of these two campsites. It was a nice open field surrounded by white spruce. I hadn't ever been back to this campsite, but being sheltered from the wind with great views oft he stars, it is clearly now one of my favorite sites along NY 8. I have not explored the lower site but I confirmed it existed -- or at least the driveway exists to it -- when I was up that way this past weekend.