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Moose River Plains Campsites

Interactive Map of Lean-Tos and Campsites

An overview map and list of campsites and their locations at the Moose River Recreation Area.

 Moose River Plains Recreation Area

Maps

Campsites

Milepoint Name Feature Notes Access Location
Cedar River Flow 1 Cedar River Flow Tent site on flow Boat 43.702924803151, -74.4871304116533
Cedar River Flow 2 Cedar River Flow Tent site on flow Boat 43.7104737708879, -74.4802343768254
Cedar River Flow 3 Cedar River Flow Tent site on flow Boat 43.7145237017622, -74.4679264444554
Cedar River Flow 5 Cedar River Flow Tent site on flow Boat 43.7111711590583, -74.4675178486588
Cedar River Flow 6 Cedar River Flow Tent site on flow Boat 43.7084767866376, -74.4717703157492
Beaver Lake Campsite Beaver Lake Site overlooks Beaver Lake Hike 43.6516613421651, -74.7407833400961
81 Icehouse Pond Accessible site at Icehouse Pond with privy Hike 43.6646602166505, -74.7029502913239
140A Indian Lake Campsite on Indian Lake, outhouse in bad condition Hike 43.6154753632731, -74.7499942080732
East of Muskrat Pond Indian Lake Trail Former roadside campsite, largely abandoned Hike 43.645116528704, -74.696221627206
46 Lost Ponds Trail Beyond the end of current Lost Ponds Road Hike 43.6868179572109, -74.6655581886723
47 Lost Ponds Trail Above Lost Ponds Hike 43.6859472953826, -74.6722052916864
Mitchell Pond 1 Mitchell Pond Tent site, bushwhack Hike 43.6729475881673, -74.7502538624373
Mitchell Pond 2 Mitchell Pond Tent site, bushwhack Hike 43.6716991892117, -74.7432124817486
64A Mitchell Pond (Accessible Campsite at End of Gravel Trail) Gravel path to site, wildrness privy Hike 43.6706136251028, -74.7387363015355
10 89 Beaver Lake Road Off Otter Brook Road, Sand Plains Vehicle 43.6583112347181, -74.7012491214803
11 90 Beaver Lake Road Off Otter Brook Road, Sand Plains Vehicle 43.6577446555162, -74.7038760912165
16 1 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Driveway Along Tributary of Silver Run Vehicle 43.7033162602551, -74.5742148239156
16 3 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Along Silver Run Vehicle 43.7027301523306, -74.5757742464803
16 4 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Along Silver Run, driveway at Sharp S Turn Vehicle 43.7026421104662, -74.5769731929134
16 7 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Along Silver Run Vehicle 43.7040070126376, -74.5809411044503
15 10 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Old gravel pit, accessible Vehicle 43.7031498027862, -74.5893864145496
15 11 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Across from 12 Vehicle 43.702458607149, -74.5926546451668
15 12 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Across from 11 Vehicle 43.7028667147947, -74.5929833340894
15 13 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Along Silver Run Vehicle 43.7010402113051, -74.5956355707995
15 14 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Along Silver Run Vehicle 43.7010328498576, -74.597457469967
14 16 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Access Road for 16/17/18 Group Vehicle 43.7025294616695, -74.5969885248639
14 17 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Access Road for 16/17/18 Group Vehicle 43.7021028692463, -74.5966599329259
14 18 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Access Road for 16/17/18 Group Vehicle 43.7023846304313, -74.5978818600647
14 19 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Along Silver Run Vehicle 43.7003546491841, -74.5964872856253
14 21 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Across road from Silver Run Vehicle 43.6957217888458, -74.6020563094081
13 22 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Across road from Silver Run Vehicle 43.6935817523545, -74.6036764840587
13 27 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Across road from Silver Run Vehicle 43.6926540634024, -74.6082201775478
13 30 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Open Area in Woods Vehicle 43.6918525577623, -74.6118452191364
13 31 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Near Marsh off Silver Run Vehicle 43.6881856235873, -74.6271629609656
12 34 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Open Field Near Old Sly Pond Road Vehicle 43.6846954329325, -74.634678249126
12 35 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Former Sly Pond Road Vehicle 43.6836690328942, -74.6318552827363
11 38 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road On Hill Overlooking Road, near start of Lost Ponds Area Vehicle 43.6836029270341, -74.6401393590772
11 39 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Above CRLLR, start of Lost Ponds Area Vehicle 43.6841476346233, -74.6487511980121
11 40 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Above CRLLR, start of Lost Ponds Area Vehicle 43.682942162164, -74.6537793571789
11 41 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Above CRLLR, start of Lost Ponds Area Vehicle 43.681311345096, -74.6589116717693
10 42 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Above CRLLR, start of Lost Ponds Area Vehicle 43.6799039050817, -74.6646031695507
10 43 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Above CRLLR, start of Lost Ponds Area Vehicle 43.6793727911294, -74.6664156654099
10 44 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road West of Lost Ponds Road, Sand Plains Vehicle 43.678808787762, -74.6696555368193
10 50 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road West of Lost Ponds Road, Sand Plains Vehicle 43.677986610504, -74.6732025802129
10 51 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Pull-Off, Small Site, Sand Plains Vehicle 43.6775108499728, -74.6750146421403
10 52 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Old gravel pit, short loop below CRLLR Vehicle 43.6748840847288, -74.6815273754233
10 53 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Access Road for 55/54/55 Group, Sand Plains Vehicle 43.6733317629897, -74.6820452615144
10 54 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Access Road for 55/54/55 Group, Sand Plains Vehicle 43.673268538603, -74.6822820352903
9 55 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Access Road for 55/54/55 Group, Sand Plains Vehicle 43.6733705968856, -74.6827076379887
9 56 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Driveway, East of Former Dump, Sand Plains Vehicle 43.673126585883, -74.6891475571674
9 57 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Has Trail to Moose River Vehicle 43.6736673106707, -74.6902687046523
8 64 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Near Mitchell Pond Trail Vehicle 43.6757521870177, -74.707500815672
8 66 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Near Pine Creek Vehicle 43.6784203854214, -74.7068492021325
7 67 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Benedict Creek Road, Wooded Vehicle 43.6851041444828, -74.7031887110586
7 69 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Remote site, perched over the road Vehicle 43.6834516958835, -74.7168906980223
6 70 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Large loop off of CRLLR Vehicle 43.6839906014562, -74.7249870178447
6 71 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Very sandy site near Mitchells Pond Upper Loop Vehicle 43.6833776353921, -74.7321947941391
5 72 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road At end of Bear Pond Loop Road (Accessable) Vehicle 43.6828956047277, -74.7359084701559
4 73 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Very sandy site near Mitchells Pond Upper Loop Vehicle 43.6835777053685, -74.7387188889593
4 74 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road On a hill overlooking road and marshy area Vehicle 43.6839187521201, -74.742285779317
4 76 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Very sandy site near Mitchells Pond Upper Loop Vehicle 43.6864452702399, -74.7471689344191
4 77 Cedar River – Limekiln Lake Road Near Red River, Bear Pond Loop, Sand Plains Vehicle 43.6897961458669, -74.7484803840413
10 58 Helldiver Pond Road Near Helldiver Pond Vehicle 43.6735979105991, -74.6920316000423
10 59 Helldiver Pond Road Near Helldiver Pond Vehicle 43.6723766419894, -74.6929318681131
10 60 Helldiver Pond Road Near Helldiver Pond Vehicle 43.6713193532923, -74.692758456613
10 61 Helldiver Pond Road Accessible site at end of Helldiver Pond Road Vehicle 43.6705019900204, -74.6921751440693
15 West of Brooktrout Trail Indian Lake Road Past Brooktrout Trail, on a hill over road Vehicle 43.6254538914434, -74.7337300739322
10 48 Lost Pond Road Sand Plains, Marshes Aroubnd Vehicle 43.6814268347573, -74.6667101324338
11 49 Lost Pond Road Sand Plains, Marshes Aroubnd Vehicle 43.6819456385478, -74.6670131106595
10 80 Otter Brook Road Has Trail to Moose River Vehicle 43.6620917920003, -74.7112181918076
11 98 Otter Brook Road Above Moose River on Hill Vehicle 43.6588725644731, -74.6966603409996
11 101 Otter Brook Road Sand Plains Vehicle 43.6564420559443, -74.6938956128147
11 103 Otter Brook Road Sand Plains Vehicle 43.657108724794, -74.6873446316172
12 104 Otter Brook Road Wooded Site Vehicle 43.6560617426567, -74.6832992891923
12 106 Otter Brook Road Wooded Site Vehicle 43.6565121581975, -74.6789913497265
13 110 Otter Brook Road Wooded Site Vehicle 43.6566072628101, -74.6733859460379
13 111 Otter Brook Road Near Otter Brook Bridge Vehicle 43.6539235327721, -74.6747718892435
23 1 Wakely Dam Camping Area Accessible site Vehicle (before gate) 43.7266767212397, -74.474100266424
23 2 Wakely Dam Camping Area Field Camping Vehicle (before gate) 43.7266515010084, -74.4733110730078
23 3 Wakely Dam Camping Area Field Camping Vehicle (before gate) 43.7259595122959, -74.473899965642
23 4 Wakely Dam Camping Area On Driveway to Lake Vehicle (before gate) 43.7260676922081, -74.4742326471903
23 5 Wakely Dam Camping Area On Driveway to Lake Vehicle (before gate) 43.7255637908987, -74.4741751228291
23 6 Wakely Dam Camping Area On Driveway to Lake Vehicle (before gate) 43.7252231337487, -74.4745830371916
23 9 Wakely Dam Camping Area Across bridge Vehicle (before gate) 43.726275356142, -74.4717840349063
23 10 Wakely Dam Camping Area Across bridge Vehicle (before gate) 43.7266308152758, -74.4712600272389
10 82 Otter Brook Road On Moose River Vehicle (driveway) 43.6603083771227, -74.7010353925305
11 84 Otter Brook Road On Moose River Vehicle (driveway) 43.6619962517853, -74.6957783254417
6 120 Natural Rock Dam Road Sand Plains near Red River Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6848543033273, -74.7664253595203
6 122 Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.684367353989, -74.7717171949716
6 123 Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6804228755091, -74.7782951743141
6 124 Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6792030487765, -74.7847972548314
7 125 Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6783559964111, -74.7880327043169
7 126 Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6748535298235, -74.790591643043
7 127 Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6739776362472, -74.7910844137006
7 128 Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6751413481917, -74.7924842843025
8 129 Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6703784784539, -74.7926312803463
8 130 Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6666270858056, -74.8019151989726
8 131 Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6643581634434, -74.8054154753831
8 132 Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6652083016168, -74.8036826184027
5 119A Natural Rock Dam Road Sand Plains near Red River Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6844716021433, -74.7646961785253
6 123A Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6802422604152, -74.782965042166
6 124A Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6785899888224, -74.7864319884685
6 125A Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6776017274889, -74.7902229325712
7 126A Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6756110574941, -74.7901645681643
8 129A Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6689370211979, -74.7948887917477
8 129AA Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6674497436753, -74.7980604042935
8 130A Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6661052974262, -74.8016557609016
8 130AA Natural Rock Dam Road Wooded Site Vehicle (Opens July) 43.6669094078356, -74.8007390664074

Payne Mountain with Cedar River Flow Beyond It

Camping Log

New York Land Cover

January – June 2011.

Roadside: 9, Tent: 1, Leanto: 0 nights …

Date Campsite Where Type Notes
06/19/11 Campsite On Forest Road 70 Near Lye Wilderness Forest Road 70, Green Mountains NF, Kelley Stand, VT Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Hiked towards Big Alder, but couldn’t cross stream. Rainy day, did a little paddling in Powley Place. Nicer day on Memorial Day
06/04/11 Campsite On Back Side of Stockmans Island Stockmans Island, Hudson River State Park, NY Tent camping after paddling in on kayak Put in at Coxscakie Boat Launch, camped on an island in Hudson River.
05/29/11 Powley Place (Campsite 9) Piseco-Powley Road, Ferris Lake Wild Forest, Stratford, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Hiked towards Big Alder, but couldn’t cross stream. Rainy day, did a little paddling in Powley Place. Nicer day on Memorial Day.
05/28/11 Powley Place (Campsite 9) Piseco-Powley Road, Ferris Lake Wild Forest, Stratford, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Rainy day. Hiked around Powley Place.
05/27/11 Powley Place (Campsite 9) Piseco-Powley Road, Ferris Lake Wild Forest, Stratford, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Left work early, drove up there. Nice evening before the rain.
05/21/11 Cheney Pond Cheney Pond, Vanderwhacker Wild Forest, Newcomb, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Explored Vanderwhacker Wild Forest. Kayaked around Cheney Pond couple of times, explored Tawandus Ruins.
05/20/11 Fox Lair Campsite NY Route 8, Wilcox Lake Wild Forest, Bakers Mills, Adirondacks, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Much nicer this time, a little rain, things greened up. Got a little rain, very damp.
04/22/11 Fox Lair Campsite NY Route 8, Wilcox Lake Wild Forest, Bakers Mills, Adirondacks, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Woke up to 3” of cold wet snow and rain, decided to go home and abandon trip.
04/21/11 Gravel Pit Campsite NY Route 8, Wilcox Lake Wild Forest, Griffin, Adirondacks, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Cold morning, trees covered with ice. Hike up around part of 13th Lake near North Creek, NY
04/09/11 Moscow Hill Horse Camp Brookfield State Forest aka Charles Baker State Forest, Brookfield, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge One other camper here, no equestrians this time of year. Wanted to camp on Cherry Ridge, however too much snow there.

Getting Out and Stretch

March – December 2010.

Roadside: 28, Tent: 2, Leanto: 1 nights …

Date Campsite Where Type Notes
12/4/10 Old NY 8 Wilcox Lake Wild Forest, Griffin, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Very cold. Ice and snow on truck in morning. Kind of close to NY 8, but all the best campsites taken by hunters.
11/12/10 Lower Assembly Area Sugar Hill State Forest, Watkins Glen, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Woke up surrounded by Horse Trailers and equestrians in morning. Assembly area was closed this time of year, but horse trails still widely used.
11/11/10 Informal campsite on Forest Road 151 Allegheny National Forest, Near Sayre, PA Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Second night at Allegheny National Forest. I liked the site I stayed in the previous day a lot, and the days where too short (sunset at 4:45 PM), so no time to waste searching for a site.
11/10/10 Informal campsite on Forest Road 151 Allegheny National Forest, Near Bradford, PA Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Many sites in Allegheny National Forest. This one I particularly liked, so I decided to stay there.
11/09/10 Aspah Run Camping Area Aspah, near Wellsboro, PA Roadside camping (in pickup truck): paid primitive area Decided due to a lack of a time due to early sunset, would have done roadside/back country camping, but for $10, and being alone, it was fine.
11/08/10 Aspah Run Camping Area Aspah, near Wellsboro, PA Roadside camping (in pickup truck): paid primitive area Camped here, because I didn’t want to camp back country, and didn’t know the area well enough.
11/07/10 Lower Assembly Area Sugar Hill State Forest, Watkins Glen, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Originally wanted to camp at Birds Eye Lake or something like that, but the map I had got me lost, and I couldn’t find the road campsite up there.
11/06/10 Campsite 7 Stoney Pond State Forest, Madison, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Frost/ice on puddles in morning. Some snow in some places.
09/05/10 Campsite 56 Moose River Plains, Inlet, Adirondacks, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Rain showers, enjoyed staying in a very private and quite campsite up in the sandy plains.
09/04/10 Campsite 56 Moose River Plains, Inlet, Adirondacks, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Hiked to Mitchells Pond. More rain. It was kind of wet and cold.
09/03/10 Campsite 56 Moose River Plains, Inlet, Adirondacks, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Kind of wet and rainy, hung out in camp, did a little exploring of the plains. Also, paddled in Cedar River Flow for a while. Enjoyed the very private drive in site here.
09/02/10 Campsite 2 Moose River Plains, Inlet, Adirondacks, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge I left work at 5 PM…. but with traffic, and wanting to get a pizza to eat on the way up, didn’t get to Moose River Plains until after 9 PM. Very dark, very tired, just wanted a place to collapse.
08/28/10 An Designated Campsite Big Pond, near Margretville, NY Kayak in Primitive Campsite: no charge Did a little hiking an exploring around Ashfield Pinnacle, then drove south to Big Pond. Lantern did not work, a very dark night.
08/27/10 Betty Brook Campsite Burnt-Rossman Hill State Forest, Schoharie, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Nice night after work…. drove around Mallet Pond State Forest, looking for campsites and interesting places to explore.
08/14/10 Mountain Pond Campsite 4 Mountain Pond, Paul Smiths, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Last day of NY 30 Kayak vacation. Mountain Pon was nice, very remote, just off of NY 30.
08/13/10 Floodwood Road Campsite 3 Floodwood Road, Fish Creek Ponds, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Crowded, stayed down by Poliwog Pond… wouldn’t go there again.
08/12/10 Horseshoe Lake Campsite 8 (about a ½ mile from lake) NY 421, Horseshoe Lake, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Couldn’t get a site right on Horseshoe Lake. Discovered Lows Lake – amazing.
08/11/10 Wakely Pond Campsite 7 Moose River Plains, Inlet, Adirondacks, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Wanted to paddle Cedar River Flow and enjoy camping up near water …
08/10/10 Undesigned Campsite, west side of road Mason Lake, Spectulator, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge First day of kayak vacation, as I drove up from work, decided to go somewheres not too far away …
07/31/10 Undesigned Campsite, west side of road Mason Lake, Spectulator, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Hiked to Pillsbury Mountain Firetower, then camped down at Mason Lake.
07/18/10 Otter Brook Campsite (MRP Number 110) Moose River Plains, Inlet, Adirondacks, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Camped by the Otter Brook Bridge, at a rather large campsite. Not my favorite campsite, and it poured out.
07/17/10 Wakely Pond Campsite 8 Moose River Plains, Inlet, Adirondacks, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Camped down by Cedar River Flow, in a drive in site, a short way from the Flow, but also pretty private.
07/16/10 Wakely Pond Campsite 8 Moose River Plains, Inlet, Adirondacks, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Camped down by Cedar River Flow, in a drive in site, a short way from the Flow, but also pretty private.
07/15/10 Wakely Pond Campsite 8 Moose River Plains, Inlet, Adirondacks, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Camped down by Cedar River Flow, in a drive in site, a short way from the Flow, but also pretty private.
06/27/10 Balsam Swamp Camping Area Site 3 Balsam Pond, East East Pharsalia, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Came back to here, after exploring Labrador Hollow.
06/26/10 Balsam Swamp Camping Area Site 3 Balsam Pond, East East Pharsalia, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Stop over between Burnt-Rossman and Labrador Hollow. Liked camping here in the past.
06/25/10 Duck Pond Campsite Burnt-Rossman Hill State Forest, Summit, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Camped up a Duck Pond for a change, after driving out here after work.
06/05/10 Leonard Hill Informal Overlook and Campsite Leonard Hill, Broome Center, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Camped up by the Firetower at an informal campsite, watched sun set, weather turned to rain by morning …
06/04/10 Betty Brook Campsite Burnt-Rossman Hill State Forest, Schoharie, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Camped at Betty Brook, very humid, drove down to Utsaythana Firetower.
05/15/10 Alder Pond Campsite 2 Alder Pond, Balsam Lake Wild Forest, Margretville, NY Tent campsite…. short backpack in: no charge Camped at one of the campsites around Alder Pond.
04/03/10 Betty Brook Campsite Burnt-Rossman Hill State Forest, Schoharie, NY Roadside camping, in a tent Didn’t have the cap on my truck yet, but wanted to roadside camp.
03/21/10 Cotton Hill Lean To Cotton Hill, Middleburgh Short backpack into a leanto There was about a foot of snow up by Cotton Hill Leanto on first day of spring, but due to abnormally warm weather, wasn’t all that cold until late into the night.

Campsite

August – October 2009.

Roadside: 3, Tent: 0, Leanto: 0 (thru August 2009) …

Date Campsite Where Type Notes
10/11/09 Betty Brook Campsite Burnt-Rossman Hill State Forest, Schoharie, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge First really cold evening of the year, very much fall like. I didn’t bring my warm coat with me.
10/10/09 Betty Brook Campsite Burnt-Rossman Hill State Forest, Schoharie, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge Fairly cold night, but not as bad as one might have thought. On way out, stopped at Leonard Hill to take some pictures.
08/08/09 Betty Brook – informal campsite along road Burnt-Rossman Hill State Forest, Schoharie, NY Roadside camping (in pickup truck): no charge After hiking Slide Mountain and Balsam Lake Firetower. Dead tired …

Past and Present Management Of Moose River Plains

Today’s fodder was is an excerpt from “Moose River Plains Wild Forest Revised Draft Unit Management Plan/Draft Generic Environmental Impact Statement ‐ July 2010”, Appendix III, a NYS Department of Conservation Document that is in the public domain. As the DEC will probably eventually remove this from the internet, and because it is only in PDF I have decided to share it in the entirity in this blog post.

I have added some pictures I’ve taken over the years at Moose River Plains. I hope you find this interesting and helpful. – Andy

Past and Present Management Of Moose River Plains.
As Written By NYSDEC, Revised Draft Unit Management Plan

The State acquired an original tract of 9,000 acres in the heart of what is now the MRPWF before 1900. In 1948 the Conservation Department issued a permit allowing Gould Paper Company to use an existing wagon road known as the Kenwell Road to haul timber across State lands and to maintain a gate at the end of the road near Limekiln Lake to prevent public access. The Department acquired 15,710 acres surrounding Limekiln Lake from Gould in 1960, then another Gould parcel encompassing Lost Ponds and containing approximately 1,803 acres in 1962. An individual owner sold the State a parcel of 356 acres including Beaver Lake in 1963. The majority of what is now the MRPWF and the northern part of the West Canada Lake Wilderness was added to the Forest Preserve in 1963 when Gould Paper Company sold the State a tract of 50,970 acres stretching from Horn Lake on the west to Manbury Mountain on the east. Major subsequent additions included 602 acres surrounding Wakely Dam and the north end of Cedar River Flow from Finch, Pruyn and Company in 1964 and two large parcels acquired from International Paper Company: the 1,120‐acre Cellar Mountain parcel in 1986 and a tract of 9,925 acres south of Wakely Mountain in 1988. The larger parcel was acquired subject to a 1987 easement conveyed by IP to Hamilton County for the maintenance of the four miles of Cedar River Road which crossed the parcel. Appendix 25 contains an acquisition map.

A small parcel was acquired in 1981 along Route 28. This acquisition included access to the shore of Fourth Lake. However, there is no potential to develop any water access at this location. Appendix 15 contains a deed and sketch map for this parcel.

Moose River Plains Overview

After this major acquisition, the Department took an active approach to the management of the area then referred to as the Moose River Recreation Area, a name which reflected the intent behind the purchase. From the beginning, the Department pursued the development of an extensive road system to provide public access to the remote interior for hunting, trapping, fishing and camping. An early Department report indicated that there were about 178 miles of primary gravel roads and an equal extent of secondary and winter roads throughout the former Gould lands. However none of the roads was suitable for public motor vehicle use without significant improvement. Minutes to a meeting of Department staff on December 9, 1963 included an estimated cost of $25,000 for the annual maintenance of 50 miles of roads and bridges. Starting in 1964, Division of Fish and Wildlife staff used heavy equipment to improve roads initially identified for public use. When the area first was opened to the public on October 23, 1964, the road connecting the Limekiln and Cedar River entrances had just been cleared by bulldozer, but remained difficult to traverse. In addition to the LLCR Road, the Rock Dam Road, Otter Brook Road and Sly Pond Loop were open to public use by permit for a total of about 30 miles. Fifty‐six parking areas were established along the road system. At the entrance gates, cars were assigned parking areas and travel was allowed only to and from those areas. The public were four‐wheel drive vehicles or tire chains. Pickups with slip‐on campers were permitted from the start, but because the roads were not yet suitable, trailers were not permitted.

Speed Limit 15 MPH

In a road plan adopted in 1965, roads to be designated were divided into three categories. Twenty‐two miles would be first priority roads, open to all traffic; 30.5 miles would be second priority roads open only to fourwheel drive vehicles; and 7.5 miles would be administrative roads restricted to use by Department staff for crossing private property. In the first years after the area was opened to the public, access remained difficult because of the effects of weather on road conditions. In the summer of 1965, work needed to make the roads passable delayed opening until July 1. In order to minimize fire danger and facilitate the disposal of trash, the public was allowed to camp only in areas adjacent to the roads and for a maximum of 3 days. Trash receptacles eventually were provided at most campsites and Department staff collected trash twice a week through the 1970s. The trash was deposited at a dump site south of the LLCR Road east of Helldiver Pond.

Helldiver Pond in Evening

The road crew worked steadily year by year to improve the roads with the intention of ultimately allowing them to be traveled safely by cars. After the extensive logging by Gould, especially after the 1950 Blowdown, much of the area was occupied by thick low vegetation, the tops of harvested and wind‐thrown trees. Foot travel was difficult. To allow hunters to more easily travel through more remote areas in search of game, Fish and Wildlife staff used a bulldozer to clear and extend logging roads and skid trails to serve as foot trails, starting in the late 1960s. Trails cleared in this way include routes to Mitchell Ponds, Bear Pond, Lost Ponds, Cellar Pond, Beaver Lake, Sly Pond and Squaw Lake, as well as those along Benedict Creek and Butter Brook. A number of routes cleared at that time are now within the West Canada Lake Wilderness, including the trails to Horn Lake and Falls Pond. Many of the cleared routes extended beyond the trails currently marked and maintained. A map prepared by Jack Harnish, a member of the crew that did the trail clearing work, is on file with the Department.

Direction Sign at The Big T Junction

The minutes of the December 9, 1963 Department staff meeting mentioned above included in the list of recommendations for the operation of the area that the Department should establish several small camping areas to include table, fireplace and latrine throughout the area adjacent to the roads where parties can park and camp. By 1965 the Department began constructing campsites and installing fireplaces, picnic tables and privies, which were built in a field just west of the Cedar River entrance. At each suitable location along the road system, a bulldozer was used to make a short access driveway and level an area where a car or pickup truck could park and camp. A number of campsites were created at former log landings. Many of the areas originally intended as roadside parking areas later were converted to campsites. Campsite construction was completed by the late 1960s.

Campsite 55

Because of the importance of the Plains as a deer wintering area, the Departments game management staff began studying the area in 1931. Hunting and fishing advocates such as the Adirondack Conservation Council supported the acquisition of the Plains and the development of its roads, trails and campsites for hunting and fishing access. In 1965 and 1966 with federal Pittman‐Robertson Act funding, 30 log landings were graded for hunter parking access and 30,000 trees were planted in the Plains area as an experiment intended to provide winter deer shelter.

Tall Pines in the Plains

In 1965 housing was constructed for the Limekiln and Cedar River gatekeepers. The possibility of a use fee was discussed, but no fee was charged during the early years. During the 1976 season the Department charged a fee of $1.50 or $2.00 per car. A subsequent assessment determined that most of the revenue generated by the fee was offset by the costs of staffing and administration. The fee was discontinued the following year.

Entrance to Moose River Plains

Work to clear hunter access trails by bulldozer continued for a few years. However, after repeated incidents of public motor vehicle travel on these trails, 16 barriers were installed in 1970, and motor vehicles no longer were used to maintain the trails. Also in 1970, the original road plan was changed to close 22.5 miles of the original III. Management and Policy Moose River Plains Wild Forest Revised Draft Unit Management Plan/Draft Generic Environmental Impact Statement ‐ July 2010 67 30.5 miles of secondary roads to the public and retain them as administrative roads. The other 8 miles, consisting of the beginning of the Otter Brook truck trail and the road to the Indian River, were upgraded to primary roads and the gate at the Otter Brook bridge was removed.

Otter Brook Bridge is Closed

As work progressed over the years and the condition of the road system improved, the Department relaxed restrictions on the types of vehicles the public could drive. In the late 1960s the Department decided to allow motorhomes up to 22 feet long to travel the roads through big game hunting season, as long as they had tire chains. It was thought that they were less likely to get stuck than vehicles towing camping trailers, which the Department continued to prohibit. However, pressure to allow trailers began early and continued to grow. After Department staff conducted an assessment of the roads and determined that they had been sufficiently improved, they decided to allow trailers beginning around 1980.

For several years after the Department first erected wood signs in the MRPWF, they were repeatedly damaged by black bears. To prevent further destruction, metal signs were installed in 1975.

6.5 Miles to Lost Pond

A detailed Department map prepared in 1977 shows 222 campsite and parking area locations along the road system. The map provides an inventory of the structures at each site, showing the prevalence of fireplaces, picnic tables and privies at the time. Twenty sites were closed in 1980 after the reclassification of the southwestern portion of the area to wilderness, when the road to the Indian River was gated at Indian Lake. The campsites were not given numbers on the ground until the 1980s. A number of original sites that had fallen into disuse were bypassed when the numbers were assigned, so that in 2008 there are 170 numbered sites. In 2006 sites 7, 34, 66, 73, 90, 119a, 130 , and site 1 at Cedar River Flow were modified and designated as accessible sites.

In recent years, maintenance activities have focused on keeping the road system in passable condition, replacing inadequate culverts and trail maintenance. In 2001, four gravel pits were reclaimed and replanted.

Warning! Road Washed Out

In 1996 an engineering evaluation was completed for the public motor vehicle roads in the unit. The report focused on 8 major and 12 minor culvert problem areas and made recommendations for replacing existing culverts with new structures of sufficient capacity to handle a design storm of 100‐year occurrence probability with a snowmelt allowance. Between 2000 and 2005, 11 of the 12 minor sites, with the exception of site 10B, were addressed and site 5A of the major sites is the only one complete. The report and an updated status can be found in Appendix 22.

Straight Thru the Plains

In 1974, jurisdiction over approximately one acre of State land was transferred from the Hudson River‐Black River Regulating District to the Department for use as a canoe access site on Sixth Lake. In 1986, the Department transferred jurisdiction of 6.41 acres of State land along Sagamore Road to DOT. This parcel encompasses an old sand pit and was transferred so that DOT could relocate their maintenance facility from an area immediately adjacent to State Route 28 to a more screened location. DEC reserved the right to use gravel from this site, as long as it did not interfere with the DOT facility. Currently DOT does not use the site, but may use it at some time in the future.

Moose River Plains Overview

When the Moose River Recreation Area was first opened to the public, use levels were relatively high. During big game hunting season in 1964, 2,021 vehicles with 5,764 passengers signed in. Though the area originally was purchased and developed for use by hunters, trappers and anglers, the first 10‐day report filed after the 1965 opening on July 1 indicated that 75 percent of visitors were campers and sight‐seers. In 1966, 7,809 people signed in as anglers and 23,408 camper‐days were recorded during big game hunting season, about 6,000 of which were recorded for campsites beyond the Otter Brook bridge. Big game hunters were very successful in the early years, harvesting 373 deer and 15 bear in 1966 and a high of 404 deer in 1968. Deer harvest levels declined sharply after 1969, with 77 harvested in 1970 and 11 in 1971. Since the 1970s the number of deer taken by hunters has increased and in recent years harvest numbers have nearly returned to the levels recorded in the 1960s. The MRPWF remains popular with hunters, trappers and anglers.

Thunderstorm Coming to the Plains

Early management included the adoption of a number of regulations in 1972. These regulations, which still apply to public use of the area, require visitors to register at the Cedar River and Limekiln entrances, require the use of tire chains after October 1 except on 4‐wheel drive vehicles, prohibit snowmobile operation during the big game hunting season and prohibit the use of motorcycles and motorized bicycles. Current conditions may warrant the elimination of the registration requirement and the prohibition against motorcycle use.